Please pray for all of the member/attendees who are struggling, as we are grieving a loss of our church base and have felt the wrath, unfortunately. We are the Church! She has admitted that she didnt speak up enough at the time. He is angry that they keep on sending texts and emails asking for money. With so much gaslighting going on and public take-downs of those who would speak truth to power, and your investment in the church industrial complex, I can imagine how difficult it wouldve been to speak out publicly at the time of your leaving. Blessings to you! Roys also lamented the fallout of todays news. Count on it. I didnt want to be rebellious against authority. There were several close family deaths, lost our home, business and more. Thank You for writing your blog. For you to step back and taken ownership of your piece in the large (very large) puzzle, is a humility and grace only Jesus can provide. 1st at services, then recording those messages fir walk in the word and finally by publishing them. Then, on February 8th, Roys revealed material obtained under subpoena that backed up critics claims that Harvest Bible Chapel inappropriately took money from HBF. I just want you to know that what you did at HBC mattered, and your presence is greatly missed. Muller had prematurely announced the pastors departure on Friday morning on his show on WLS 890 AM, going on to declare on Twitter, Conman Boss James Macdonald OUT of Harvest Church!. Thank you for sharing your story, Lina. That the church went on and did not implode or hemorrhage members right then speaks to the prevalence of harmful ideas about authority and church leadership in evangelical circles. or is it the congregations fault for being weak and gullible? I think Nellie and others are genuine in their questions of why now and why kick him when he is down. We are satisfied and grateful to our pastor for his Christlike behavior. You are being bold and telling the truth and just wanted to encourage you.I always loved your passion for Gods Word and pray Gods blessing as you stand strong Him! The Pastor started teaching on obeying your authority and not questioning authority etc. If the church treated Lina this way, they will do it to you and others without a second thought. No one wins here-except our enemy. Careers Workplace and Religion Columnists, Recreation Outdoors and Religion Columnists, Religious Music and Entertainment Columnists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, revealed material obtained under subpoena, called into Mancow Mullers Chicago-area radio show. He kept going back to you disobeyed the pastor so youre wrong (me in this case for talking to the youth and his mom about it after it happened). Seriously? Ive never been able to foster the same level of trust and thats the residual I wrestle with. Pray for those of us who donate 10 percent of our income and would like to know where the money really goes. I will not address any party affiliation. Yet Jesus was not the mission even though the pastor spoke of Jesus. The reason there are spiritual Pol Pots that number in the thousands like our friend James McDonald is because men are happy to give themselves authority. No shame here for Lina. No One Knows. This man is a smooth deceiver and believes his own lies. Were you bullied by those elders named? I used to go to a church in AZ pastored by Jon Gaus. There would be major issues involving James, followed by a carefully worded elder update or a carefully scripted announcement in church. The pastor of that church,John Secrest, said he would be uncomfortable with MacDonald preaching at his church and asked Harvest to sever their affiliation. In effect, the senior pastor isthe church. We dont know each other, but I found this via Julie Roys Twitter. Although, it definetly planted a seed for me. When I talk to people about this, they are quick to disqualify anyone who went along with James, who did not stand up to him. I left Harvest CL 3 yrs ago after being forced out of a ministry and other thingspart of the membership indoctrinationyou are not allowed to say anything disparaging against church leadership or the church. I hope it doesnt chase people away from their spiritual questaway from God., I take no joy in this announcement, said Muller. I guess I felt like one of the peons of Harvest, and that me reaching out wouldnt matter, since I was not a part of the inner circle or personally close to you. Several years went by and one family apologized to us as did another man. I am now going to read the rest of your post. You personify a strong, fast talking, intelligent woman, which is a gift by way of your heritage. Structure: the structure of My Dream Church is based on the New Testament Body Of Christ The link below provides comments from conservative scholars such as Richard Bauckham, William Lane Craig, Michael Licona, Craig Blomberg, and NT Wright on this issue: https://lutherwasnotbornagaincom.wordpress.com/2019/05/23/bombshell-how-historically-reliable-are-the-gospels-if-even-conservative-bible-scholars-believe-they-may-contain-fictional-stories/. Go to the all church meetings? No Celebrities Except Jesus: How Asbury Protected the Revival, Southern Baptist Convention Disfellowships Saddleback Church, After Pushing for UMC Unity, Former Bishop Joins New Denomination, After Chaos and Crisis, Beth Moore Still Finds Refuge in the Church, With Gossip of the Gospel, the Church Grows in Nepal. Still, things seemed off. I should have left that week, but I was too afraid to cause damage to Jesus and His kingdom and the women I was leading at that time. The edited . The Lord knows and he keeps the books. Updated 11/13/2020 7:31 PM. People need to be accountable for their actions. The congregation has been deceived, lied to, and hounded to give sacrificially, all the while the senior pastor has been making hundreds of thousands of dollars. The people of the church are those we feel we can trust and love. We believe that disciples of Jesus profess that He is Lord, practice His Ways, and persevere in both their profession and practice. Just goes to show, pride goeth before a fall. One thing that has helped is recognizing seasons. We confronted him basically because of the way he had attacked a youth at the time and his mother for bringing up how the pastor was making this youth to feel. Congratulations on your freedom, Lina! Excited for the new study, hoping One of your teachings would be chosen. He ultimately requested that Harvest Naples be released from its relationship with the megachurch. She will be one of many many many many who come forward so if you dont like it, dont read. I didnt want to upset James. I am thankful for JESUS that used Pastor James in my life. I will not blame those who suffer spiritual starvation for wolves like the James McDonalds, Joel Olsteens or Creflo Dollars (to name but a few), however designer churches and their false teachers are the direct results of people who refuse to be obedient and submissive to Gods will. model and not on the Old Testament hierarchical model. There are dozens if not hundreds of witnesses against many Elders at Harvest all saying the same thing. Sometimes being good will require us to say harsh things. The issue here is not TIMING or kicking someone when theyre down its about exposing ungodly, cowardly behavior and making people aware of its existence. This is not an endorsement of the culture at Harvest because its total trash, but you cant blame them for you bad theology choices. Many might wonder why it all still matters to me so much. And come together in prayer, fasting and humility before Jesus that He enables us to be the people He died for. Really? Jesus called out hypocrisy in the religious leaders. 15:58 Therefore, my dear (sister) be steadfast,immovable,always excelling in the Lords work, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); LIVING WITH POWER MINISTRIES: 119 S EMERSON ST. #213 | MOUNT PROSPECT, IL 60056 | 224-634-6777 | [emailprotected]. Ross, I love this idea! I wondered where God was in the narrative. My daughter had been bullied by both Luke and James, in the presence of other adults, several times over her years in the youth group and yet I did not leave. Ive been asked, what would I do if I were still on staff. I dont know why, except that I just really wasnt getting the Word of God from the stage and I do mean stage. This pastor couldnt have been more wrong. @Donna Is it possible that it is God Himself who is exposing these misdeeds? I would ask you the same question? Thank you for the courage and humility it takes to write a post like this. So long that lawyers all wonder why I waited so long- but trauma takes time to recover from. Browse 60+ years of magazine archives and web exclusives. Not one. Sheila, we are not called to be good, we are called to be HOLY! Being part of Harvest, and hearing how the utmost leaders were tattooed with the Vertical Church logo, as I prepare the lesson, I cant help but wonder about the tattoo on the bodies of those who accepted the mark of James as their alliance with the Vertical Church of James. Hang in there. In a recorded video message, Bill Sperling, an elder, told the congregation that the elders concluded that there is a sinful pattern of inappropriate language, anger and domineering behavior. Look, Im sorry, but thats a bit late. I love who you are and what you do. The elders ordered church members to separate themselves from dissenters for fear of their souls; called MacDonalds critics behavior satanic to the core; and accused them carrying out an attack by Satan against MacDonald and Harvest. I appreciate the Biblical distinction you made Sheila, in relation to the Bible calling us to be good ; which doesnt always mean being kind and nice. Just pray in a prayer closet to be still in the presence of Jesus. In any case, Im saddened to hear that this happened to James McDonald. The fruit by which JM is to be judged rather is that of his own true m.o. I also dont know why it took me five years to leave, but now Ive been at a true Bible preaching, Jesus exulting church, not too far from the RM campus. Its been over a year and a lot has changed at Harvest and a lot sill needs to change. We are to find our faith and hope in the Message, not the messenger. The church and its people helped create Pastor James He is not the only one involved it was a group effort. Dan was a part of this elder board with these 7 elders and he details only some of the fraud . To heal enough to communicate and receiving shaming comments like yours. Before the article was even printed, Harvest sued Roys, plus two bloggers who've been critical about problems at Harvest. There are no ongoing issues of any kind. I still would like to read the blog on tattoos. He spoke highly of you, and since then, I have occasionally prayed for you regarding your time and experience at HBC. Those that havent gone through it ask why would you speak these things? In October, the church reported its chief information officer to police for suspected embezzlement. Politics and religion have a great affect on society, and both must be monitored to protect the people. then the sermons and teaching were getting distorted and weird. Well said. But often they require speaking up when injustice is done. Precept Inductive Bible Study for Women. But He is in control of everything and if He wants HBC to continue, it will continue. Authority? Did you see the link to my web page. Not cool to kick people when they are down. I have only read the first few paragraphs of your post and needed to stop there to send this reply. Abusers groom their community and a spiritually abusive church grooms its members to not rock the boat, to gaslight themselves, and to leave quietly if they should ever refuse to submit to abuse. It was an extremely long and difficult decision to finally leave (we did our best to leave peacefully with the good of Christs church in mind) knowing very well that our reputations and many of our friendships we had there would be severely if not permanently damaged. I love Dr. Dobsons admonition that while it is tempting to want to get out of a painful situation, often the only way out is through. This cancer must be excised and as often as is the case in cancer treatment, months of treatment must be involved for health to take place. I didnt want to upset James. Dont stop trusting or loving. Quit pointing fingers, justifying why and stirring the pot. Fear is why leaders did not speak up until now. Your realness. After leaving, others came to us, with similar stories of why they left or quit being involved. Sign up for our newsletter: An eight-month investigation into pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel, his Chicago-area megachurch, culminated last week with the publication of a World Magazine article by Julie Roys. He just got into the worlds standards for a preacher. When is God pleased at his church? Long story short he kicked my husband and I out of the church. On January 16th, MacDonald took an indefinite sabbatical leave. #justsaying #carryon, Youd have to read the blog. Then, not ten minutes later Mike Dunswood told us the Elders were told ( presumably by the XLT, which included Jeff Donaldson) all parents were notified about Paxton Singer and his sexpoitation issue in Jan 2018. Following a lengthy season of review, reflection, and prayerful discussion, the Elders of Harvest Bible Chapel had determined that Pastor MacDonald should be removed from his role of Senior Pastor. Just because its a church building with leaders doesnt mean that Christ is leading it. But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. I should have left that week, but I was too afraid to cause damage to Jesus and His kingdom and the women I was leading at that time. Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world. Kenny Foreman, Founder of Cathedral of Faith, Passes Away at 88, Millennials Cant Buy MeaningLets Talk the Meaning of Life. Linas testimoney is encouraging. Check out Moreno website, http://www.godsonlygospel.com. Five Uncomfortable Church Documentaries Still Worth Watching, Asbury Announces New Service ScheduleCampus Will Be Closed to the Public After Today, Eight Witnesses Testified Against Hillsong Founder Brian Houston in Court Case. Harvest launched a radio show; founded a Christian school with over 700 students; built its own retreat center; produced feature-length films; wrote its own worship songs; and created its own church-planting ministry, Harvest Bible Fellowship, with 170 member churches. Lina did try to have a conversation with the Elders before she left Harvest. These changes were never made, but the critics were silencedfor a time. Persecution is supposed to come from the world with the devil behind it, as Jesus said. Be blessed dear Sister. But dont shame others who speak up. My mom, who doesnt attend HBC, says that the church is going to die because James was the bread and butter. Even now, many years later, the enemy could still, if I let him, get me questioning my motives and trying to persuade me I was in the wrong not the shepherds. Be very careful Azaelea. As one person whom MacDonald led to the Lord remarked to me, Its like finding out your wife is a serial killer. The disillusionment, betrayal, and loss can be excruciating. I was asked what I would do if I were still on staff through the last 2 years. Dont listen to haters. Even when you get away that fear doesnt leave just because you physically left. I know many people who attend Harvest or who have been impacted by MacDonalds preaching are crushed today. A peacemaking process, while helpful for personal and relational reconciliation, is not the approach to address failed governance, biblical disqualification, and a toxic leadership environment.. All Rights Reserved | Website by Living Wth Power, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISjXhWUyGi0&list=PLud2nIxx0IAT58I8QPBdfrOz8bFMQQcd6&index=4&t=0s, https://radical.net/sermon/kingdom-community/, https://sites.google.com/site/mydreamchurch/, Recommended Reads: Relevant Magazine on James MacDonald Allegedly Inappropriately Touching Anne Green. What had these individuals done? you managed (a wording that says, you knew it was not right, but did so out of self protection) and humility because as Mancow is now saying, James had alligator tears of his hurt to make you feel guilty. We repent, forgive and are reconciled; we do not get even, hold grudges, refuse to forgive, or destroy innocent bystanders caught in the wake of it all. It was your Study that helped me be obedient to God. Do You Really Have to Go to Church Every Sunday? Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand., And even JMac was right when he quoted 1 Corinthians 16:13: My first two books were scheduled to be released smack in the middle of that summer, and I didnt want to impact their potential not to mention that James had agreed to write the forward on my first book. A book called the Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse really helped me and my wife to recover from our experience of confronting the pastor and then leaving the church. In other words, thatwasMacDonald in the recording. The next day, Helmer resigned, citing MacDonalds pattern of uncontrolled anger. The pastor later admitted being too intense in the classroom that day. What should we be planning for, praying for, and what did Jesus teach about? wounded by wolves in sheeps clothing. We are the Church! Hmm. Sometimes they will require being nice. Whats also sad is that old witness accounts go to show how truly far reaching and how long this behavior has been going on. I miss that about you. Praying for this church also that Gods Holy Spirit is cleaning/healing/humbling/teaching his people. The pastor also gets $1.2 million and a parcel of property in Crystal Lake, Illinois, as well the ministrys equipment, books, and digital resources, the church announced this week. (images of wife beating and mental control come to mind) She put words to my feelings and I am truly blessed by them. We attended Elgin from 2005 through 2008. Praying for you for healing and for growth and strength during all of this. Woah there Nellie! www. This is the mercy and grace of God. I can think of hundreds of small things, and some rather large ones, that Ive compromised myself for. I do not believe your timing should be questioned. James wrath is powerful. Her first year at college and her first visit to Harvest RM. From your first speaking engagement at Harvest, I have watched your ministry(ies) and have see you be a strong fast speaking, outgoing woman, by ethnic background, yet a humble servant of Christ who feels deeply the impact of wrongfulness. He stopped going to any church and says he has lost faith in everything. Saying he had hit a "wall of exhaustion" in June, Lead Ministry Pastor Greg Bradshaw said he is not only leaving Harvest, but also the ministry. and pro football. James ended up sending me a copy of the new approved blog post, and out of fear, I complied. 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The current leadership at Harvest Bible Chapel including Luke and Landon and Rick and Mo and Jeff and the CFO are infected by the cancer of fear and control. *Strong Bad: Just for the record, in all kindness Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. I cant imagine a culture in which you felt such fear. In the arbitration, MacDonald retained the rights to Walk in the Word, a part of the church that had put on his teaching ministry and popular radio broadcast. I dont understand how anyone could watch that video and not immediately know that something was very, very wrong. That is who God truly cares about. When this happens, there is tremendous spiritual and emotional wounding. I was a woman ruled by fear. I have lived with fear in my life almost my entire life. I was too afraid to ask her why. This did not happen to James, he did this, by sinning repeatedly. May God bless you for speaking truth and standing in the gap for those of us who dont have the circle of influence that you have. I am aware that there has been some very good ministry done through this church. Those of us that have experienced spiritual abuse and church hurt personally can truly resonate with your story. First, they resigned, along with a third elder (who was not excommunicated only because he also left Harvest and was no longer a member), in protest of how the church was being run. For years, they had been made to feel like the outcasts, but finally vindication in its godly form was working its way out. I am grateful for your courage. Her princes within her are like wolves tearing the prey, by shedding blood and destroying lives in order to get dishonest gain. God is good and He will use those who make themselves available to Him. It doesnt mean anything.. In a statement, the elders indicated they had accepted the apology and, in turn, agreed to leave [the church] alone and let the elder board bring about the necessary reforms.. Nellie-What you might not know. Thank you, Lord, for Ephesians 6:13: And I wont stand in the way of Christs work. Your two posts make no sense I hope you get some sense and realize people in Church are not infallible only Jesus! Thank you Yahweh. After he was treated and had surgery he was totally different person: quick to get angry all the time, control freak, and mean.there are things that we dont know. Your child will experience the life-changing power of Jesus and His Word through worship and story, and age-appropriate learning tools. Your sincere desire to move us further in our relationship with Jesus Christ. Thank you for your courage. Another church on The Lord's Way is on its way out. Thats the point and issue with what was and is going on at Harvest. Harvest will also reimburse MacDonald another quarter-million dollars related to selling his former home and transfer compensation related to his retirement benefits. Such a good post Lina. I dont know you personally but appreciate all you continue to teach me and countless others. I see Jesus in youfrom one member of the Body to another. Streaming Video Broadcast. It seems to me that theyve had years to repent and make things right. Laurie Newman, a Harvest member, told Christianity Today that she believes the church's current leaders, like Bradshaw, are "good people who want to lead the church the way God wants it to. Im not sure it is saying tatoos are a sign of a decline in holiness, but the overall impression is any Christian who gets a tatoo wants to be cool and nothing about Jesus or the Gospel is cool. All of it. Mike was genuinely shocked when we told him our son had Paxton as a camp counselor for whole week at Camp Harvest and we never received notice as HBC falsely told Daily Herald. I am so inspired to see you today. And still some came because their loved ones and spouses have abandoned the faith completely and now refuse to go to church and they long to understand why. Perhaps my fear had its legitimate reasons. It took months to get over the hurt he caused my husband and I. All that leads to ia where we are, I led worship in a church for 5 years. Harvest Bible Chapel of Naples, whose leadership recently turned over after scandal rocked its Chicago parent megachurch, is the most . Someday, Fred, when you grow a spine, you need to come to me and beg my forgiveness for the unbiblical excommunication you were a part of in my situation. This post reminds me of something that happened at my former church. The whole ordeal was very strange. Each former leader that speaks out helps us heal and validates our experience. Were they unaware of what was happening behind the scenes? I regret my own weaknesses, my love for the approval of others. sheripine@cbcglendora.org. However why now? Lina, This isI believewhy the American church has lost its effectiveness. James MacDonald was forced out Tuesday night as senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel, a church he founded in Rolling Meadows some 30 years ago. Only time will tell whether Harvest can outlive its founding pastorand the scandal that has enveloped both him and his elder board. MacDonald later admitted doing so but claimed it was all in good fun and misinterpreted. I met you when you spoke at Harvest Davenports womens ministry retreat and events many years ago and was challenged and inspired by your teaching. Nellie, Im sorry for your comment. 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