For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Baron Emile Comblain Dieudonn Joseph As I've said, I'm not an expert. Barrels are 30". Do you have any knowlege of pinfire double barrels? )t/!Z $e9]DG=Ljr%@6) 8F&Kx[2l~WY7#|9&~L~G3jjV?~2SN?2&=qb'3d0W>l#G2;/|D)c~liS>2lVbD""L0M7;Q"gd)g"G{\3efBd. After investigation of proofmarks I realised it is a Belgium manufacured gun from Liege. Rib is marked "Vicente Arizmendi Eibar". Delcour-Dupont was a barrel maker in Nessonvaux, Belgium. But despite the history the belgian proof stamps are rather straight forward, normally one can't get more information from the proof more than it has been done if one can't find the inspectors mark. The gun was restocked with a new buttstock. I suspect the gun is a Janssen. Revolver. Bertrand Antoine & Fils Length of chamber over diameter of chamber. Percussion fowler from the 1850's and is American in style. I occasionally found two typical examples with a gunmaker friend nearby. Burrard, Major Sir Gerald. cardboard cover and the paper used for the printing was of the high glossy type and My grandfather was a hunter long back in time just after WW2 and I have his shotgun in memory of him. Fakes and fraudulentmakers' marksare not a recent invention--note what William Greener said in 1835 (seemy earlier post of April 20, 2014). Parker Brothers - One of the most famous shotgun manufacturers started making double barrel shotguns in 1868. Missing the ramrod. Locks are marked "W.J Harvey". Clment Walter Bultot Jean Barrel rib is unmarked. Right hammer needs repair; left hammer cocks are functions properly. If the price seems too good to be true, it probably is. You can also browse other antique pistols for sale or additional categories as diverse as Colts, Winchesters, and antique long guns. It's as useful in a duck blind as it is . Stock has an old crack at heel. Provisional black powder proof for breech loading guns, since 1924 reserved for smooth bore barrels. Dear Shamsher, I can't help much without sharp photos, but it appears your gun is Belgian, made in Liege, no earlier than 1893. Material presented throughout this website is for historical and entertainment value only and should not to be construed as usable for hardware restoration, maintenance, or general operation. Colette Victor Ateliers Saint Laurent, Bauwir Joseph Scarce 10 gauge. Their total production was around 180,000 guns. Brancquaert Louis He took delivery at the maker's London showroom on Picadilly. The company was acquired by Remington Arms in 1934. Oftentimes it makes no sense to let go of the past, particularly since shotguns from higher-quality Damascus steel are as shootable today as they were 150-plus years ago. 3 vols. Please someone let me know that they know about these Belgian doubles! Marks visible are crown-over-U (final proof) and eagle-crown-over-S (smoothbore) and -W (choked). Do check with a gunsmith before you shoot it! The gun maker is based out of Birmingham, England, and still manufacturers guns to this day. Thomas Jefferson. Bayet Frres Double made in the mid 1890's. $1,750.00. It is a hammer back breakaway 12 gauge side by side. Jules Bury advertising from the 1930ies.Courtesy of littlegun.be. Sorry for my delay in responding: I've been OOT and off-line for two weeks. presented below is the first of the series and is covering the gunmakers whose names are Hunting, fishing, cooking, and other critical aspects of life. Stock has a chip near wrist, otherwise shows normal field wear. Bertrand Joseph I have two sets of wood handles and artillery holster with marks of 7 ; 44; 105C. production. Fredrick M. Diss of Colchester ~ten gauge boxlock with nice barrels ~ 3" nitro proofs! Then emigrated to Belgium at the end of 1859. Counet - Genot Hello,I have a flintlock rifle that is stamped "spesco corporation made in Belgium" on the top of the smoothbore barrel. 1848. Belgium Belgian Proofmarks Belgian proofs are among the oldest and have a very long history. Any idea what it all means? Bonehill. Hammers function properly. Please direct all other inquiries to militaryfactory AT gmail.com. It could be almost anything: an English Greener, which would have Birmingham, England, proof marks, or it could be a double of dubious origin. Handsome pinfire double manufactured in the 1860's. Old Time Radio; 78 RPMs and Cylinder Recordings; Top. New York: A. S. Barnes, 1961. Don't know about the Star P. And I don't ever evaluate guns. CONTACT. Put it in an old tire, put a 5 lb bag on the over the top . I think it was made 1890 but not sure. The problem is this mark was used from 1818 (muzzle loading period) until 1893, so that hardly narrows down the time frame. Applied to all guns made but not proofed in Belgium - sent to an other country proof facilities. Thank y'all for your help ahead of time! I'll restrict myself therefore tosaying something about gun making in Belgium and offering some proof marks. Inspector's marks can not be used to establish date of manufacture; they were re-used over time and the significance of some has been lost. Browning firearms have been traditionally made in locations world-wide. Barrels are 32". But of course he also made quite normal guns for the average hunter. 7. The next guns carrying the Browning name were manufactured in Belgium. With 26-inch open-choked barrels, it is a 6.5 pound delight. The 16-in-a-circle indicates the nominal gauge of the shotgun and the 16/1 shows that the actual diameter of the bores was between .662" and .669". Copyright 2023 All rights reserved. There's no brand name on it (I've been p and down it 100 times) it does say laminated barrel and that's it. Hammers cock and function properly. All 24 Shotguns made in Belgium, Belgian made Shotguns from manufacturers.name.include? Receiver has approximately 75% original nickel plating. Your help is appreciated. Translated to English. . I can't ID the 'RM', who was likely the barrel maker. Stocks are good with some field wear. Gun Barrel Proof Marks. Lock and barrel are unmarked. Barrel is 27". The company built side-by-side double barrel shotguns throughout WW2. Stock has an old crack near wedge on left side. Worldwide Logistics for all your products. and BELGIUM had a glut of old, obsolete flint lock and percussion gun parts left over from years past. Some of the links in the first post are inactive and can not be edited. Since 1924 used on all rifled arms. Marked Wm. Broqua & Scholberg On top between the barrels "CANONS ACIER GARANTI". The tubes were made by the talented Belgian mechanic Joseph Cap. Bte" tells us the maker: it stands for "Dieudonn Debouxthay Brevete", or "Patent Dieudonn Debouxthay" in English. Included is a copy of the factory Ledger sheet .Click for more info. Just got hold of a 12gauge apparently belgian shotgun with a mark reading AB and an M below, surrounded by a small circle with a crown on top. I have my grand dads Belgian Browning A5 Sweet Sixteen. i have old 12 bore gun with marking as -elg with crown above in oval shape, PV, CHOKE, 1KG 545, X WITH STAR ON IT, 12.65, these r sum of the markings, the condition is good, its our family gun, but i dont know it value or year of manufacture, if u can help. Circa 1880's. Good overall condition. Quick Facts 3 was 33 grains = 3 Dram Equivalent Bulk Smokeless powder and was introduced into the U.S. of A. in 1904. Locks are marked "Parker Bros" and have some original case colors in protected areas. Shotgun Serial *Belgium Browning A5 Automatic 12 ga. Bernard Victor & Cie See all my Guns on Guns International Click on Link We present shotguns with a wide variety of features, technical characteristics, and prices from the worlds best companies, such as Chiappo, Italy; Tar Ideal Concept LTD, Israel and the leader of Chinese gun-industry - China North Industries Corp. (NORINCO). This one was engraved by Jules Eugne Schoffeniels. Burlet this book online and pay it through Paypal. Mechanicsburg, PA: Stackpole Books, 2008. Pistol made in Belgium, as you know. outlawman7 - The reason for a lack of response here may be found in the post immediately above yours. L.C. Each gunmaker is presented with the maximum Drue, yes, the absence of rifling means that this pin-fire was used for shot.Pin-fires represent an important stage in the development of firearms. Greetings Easthampton,I have been researching an old antique pistol that has been in our family for generations.What leads me to your group was the Hits and Misses article posted in 2014; on Deciphering Belgian Proof Marks (my piece has the spelling Belgium). Check your syntax! American Gunsmiths by Sellers, and American Gun Makers by Gluckman & Satterlee list American makers. Hammers cock and function properly. Do you have any information on them? The mark is applied after the gun has passed the Belgian proof. SN:18761. Bernard Lambert Also on the chamber there are three marks, one which I have not been able to identify, but appears to be provisional proof? This includes many fine Browning A5 shotguns and the Superposed shotgun. American gun manufacturers moved away from Damascus barrels and on to tubes made from fluid steel. GI#: 102181883. Today's biography is a guest post by our friend Robert White - thanks, Robert! - Galoppin Chartier And I have a photo taken at Winchester, TX with Maj. Thomas Doan during the Dusty March, July 1863, Dechard, TN. manufacturers identifying marks, more commonly referred to as Proof Marks, Arsenal or Inspector Marks Antiquegunlist.com is the leading provider of antique guns for sale. It is a 12 gauge with 70mm = 2 3/4" chambers. A fine antique 18th Century Double Barreled English Percussion Sporting Gun by the famous maker Henry Nock London, caliber 14 mm . Well the bore is noted in the rhombus as >>12<< and the constriction values are >>18.2/18.2<< & >>17.3/18.2<< so with those it has to be a 12 bore. There's no indication of chamber length--but that didn't begin until 1892.The other marks I can't identify.So what can I tell you? Belgian proofs are among the oldest and have a very long history. Sidelock with hammers manufactured by C.G. I occasionally found two typical examples with a gunmaker friend nearby. insight about the gunmaking activity in Belgium from its very beginning to the middle of (Six volumes by alphabetical order), Belgian Liege gunmakers (A to C) - Volume 1. Closset Louis - Remy Hubert ~JP2lLn)wMO(;%vvRnS>2sw~zG!D""L0MW#+J%d)g"#Q4H&D4&KdU_};g|CN>Is>X&'vqFc&Pkr3EjZ1M&|dv55*6GI?/cOra#2K;cW>rLFtgtycw^4RiK-myVS[${XZw ho"=^f%DeiG wPnD6#diqSg].GI24?>.0 ?~wXy$6Sd3Ln2IdLL_#6)G7OE)7igF. Free shipping for many products! The Great Exhibition of 1851 in London did much to publicize Lefaucheuxs system. Description 12 GA. Bertrand Antoine In the Proof Marks; my piece has a Star P, which in the article you do not identify. Do check with a gunsmith before you shoot it! Good overall condition. Good overall condition. An interesting pinfire shotgun. The lack of chamber length probably means it was made before 1892.Is there a name on it? x\}WT_0qk E%Mp8@S36QG7=TFx,P?wU]4v>3}wc)0~_+. Courard N. The size of this book of 232 pages Mark for optional superior provisional proof. Shotgun relicThis is for a early 1900's Belgium made and marked with Royal Gun Works Belgium 16 gauge double barrel shotgun *Belgium Browning A5 Automatic 12 ga. The book presented below is the second of the series and is covering the gun makers whose names are in the D to F range of the alphabetical order. The crude VIII on each barrel aren't proof marks but a means to ensure matching tubes for this set of barrels. Antique Shotguns (Pre-1899): Belgian Shotguns, Side by Side Shotguns, Our inventory of antique shotguns is made up of shotguns manufactured before 1899, including English, French, and Belgian shotguns. We don't know a lot about this maker except that he set up shop at 5 Pelham's Lane in Colchester, Essex, from 1901 to 1913. Is there a 70mm stamp on the extractor blade faces? This continued for many decades. The Liege proof house was established in 1672 and it is the oldest European proof house still in operation. Clement, Charles Pistol and revolver manufacturer in Liege, Belgium, c.1886-1914. Overall length is 43". Maybe one day sombody will kiss alive this sleeping beauty. A complete list of suppliers of shotguns. (copy right L.R. The New E.C. The typical Spanish best gun is a sidelock side-by-side game gun with chopper-lump barrels. Bernard Emile & Cie A handsome and unusual shotgun. vast quantity of data to treat, the global work was parted in a series of publications, Be sure to bookmark our, 7626 Westheimer @ Voss, Houston, Texas 77063, Percussion Double 10 Gauge by Mortimer (AL7165), Belgian Percussion Double 10 Gauge (AS52), English Double 12 Gauge Pinfire by Harvey (AL7164), Percussion Double 12 Gauge by Perkins (AS81), Belgian Percussion 16 Gauge Side by Side (AS172), Vicente Arizmendi Double 16 Gauge (AS509), English Sidelock Double 10 Gauge by Manton (AS137), Belgian Side by Side Hammer 16 Gauge (AS502). Until 1894, stamped in .02mm graduations, then in 0.1mm steps, Degree of choke, in this case 0.7mm constriction. Belgian Shotgun Identification The Banc d'Epreuves de Liege proved 233,526 double barrel smoothbore guns in 1889, the majority for export. Good overall condition. Double proof as prescribed by the French law of 1810. Anyone else know? So the only indicator of the chamber depth is found with the stamp of the Chamber dimensions? Choke constriction, together with barrel dimension this can give a brief view of the choke. Can't help much w/o some photos (send to ghcox3@gmail.com). The 16 Gauge sidelock unfortunately was such pitted, that there was only one way to save it. Barrels when disasembled are marked with Belgian proofs near chambers. Other makers include Lebeau Courally and Mahillon. (Not safe to shoot with modern shells.) Bottom or receiver is marked "Harvey Exeter" and "Patent No 4395". HI, John. Arendt Maurice The 1KG 545 is the barrel weight in grams. Side by side with 28" damascus barrels and hammers. Due to the Hi, thanks for the info and knowledge you provided. To make purchases and use the full site services, register or login your account. Damascus barrels are 30". A strong good product that will last for long usage in your The "1136" might be the serial number for that pair of pistols. Their shotguns were made in 12, 16, and 20 gauge. Beckers G. On this page, once you scroll past the patent stuff, you'll find a gun very much like yours. Manufactured in 1892. Very good overall condition. Action works properly. I can send pictures of it. Original butt plate has some wear, no chips or cracks. A Adaptive Tactical Shotguns American Tactical Shotguns B Baikal Shotguns Barrett Shotguns Benelli Shotguns Beretta Shotguns Blaser Shotguns Browning Shotguns C Century Shotguns Charles Daly Shotguns Chiappa Shotguns A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. It's obviously a Belgian knockoff influenced by the Charleville design but that's all I know. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Share to Twitter. I have pictures If you need them. Due to the vast quantity of data to treat, the global work was parted . 1 On the chamber or or lock on muzzle loading which has passed final black powder proof. A reader hasasked me to say something aboutBelgian proof marks. Bores show very William Moore 7 Co. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The Modern Shotgun. Subcategories This category has only the following subcategory. John M. Browning's first rifle, the Single Shot, was made in Ogden, Utah. The makers mark was in use for over a hundred years. Maximum service load for shotguns having undergone smokeless proof. Colleye Henri Joseph Barrels are not rifled- does this mean it must be a shotgun? Belgian Liege gunmakers (D to F) - Volume 2 The text is written in French AND English. Belgian Arms cie Any help would be appreciated. By Alain Daubresse. I'm very excited and can't wait for some replies. Double Barrel Shotgun. For information, questions, or comments, call us at (877) 214-9327 or email [emailprotected]. Chambers are 2 3/4". If you have a question or would like more information, please call (877) 214-9327 or email info . I have tried to look up an 1136 but am unable to locate them anywhere. Handsome English Sidelock double with hammers. Nessonvaux is short drive outside of Liege. Liege, Belgium has been a gunmaking center for centuries. is 1.220 kg (43.00 oz). Any maker's name on the rib between the barrels?Best,Gerry, 1902 a greener twobarrel it has hh on botten of barrel what do i have. There's no indication of gauge. Both come in the then very popular caliber 16. Please note! This printed and hardbound book, written in English and French by Alain Daubresse, provide an extensive insight about the gunmaking activity in Belgium from its very beginning to the middle of the 20th century. Nr. This was the result of John M. Browning's lasting relationship with Fabrique Nationale, in . The second and third indicateit was proofed at Lige. Bury was famous for his double rifles and also built the legendary Super Britte. Good examples of the information that can be derived from adequate images. Once tested and successful the weapon was stamped with a seal to acknowledge the testing - called "Proof Marks". Closset Louis These might cursive as well. Example of inspectors mark, any letter can be used with a crown. Receiver has original case colors in protected areas. The book Serial: 40593. Damascus barrels are 32" choked cylinder. If you are considering buying a Belgian gun, look long and hard atits quality. Christophe Henri But despite the history the belgian proof stamps are rather straight forward, normally one cant get more information from the proof more than it has been done if one cant find the inspectors mark. You can easily choose the shotgun you need on Ammoterra.com. GunID: 4746. Bischop Pierre Percussion side by side manufactured in Belgium during the 1850's. thanks for the help so far. This mark is found on guns that is not made in Belgium by countries that use proofs that is not recognized by the Belgian Proof House. Thanks a ton this, helped me identify a friends old revolver. The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. Damascus barrels are 30". Locks are marked "T. Barker". He was registered with the Liege Proof House from 1896 to 1947. Can anybody shed some light here? He received his technical training in Soest and then in Warstein. Clment-Neumann The one on the far right is the definite proof for nitro, or smokeless powder. (Improved) Nr. Locks are marked Charles Daly and are scroll engraved. The 12.65 I take to mean 12 gauge with 2 1/2" chambers (70 would be the modern 2 3/4"). Sent from my SM-J727V using Tapatalk Aug 26, 2020 #3 Here ya go! Is there a stamp of LLH on the tubes forward of the flats? Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Smokeless powder proof of military rifles until 1903, thereafter indicates nitro proof for all types of arms. Breechloaders had existed previously, but Casimir Lefaucheux's 1835 invention of the pin-fire cartridgea cylinder with a pin extending at right angles to the base which detonated a fulminate charge in the cartridgequickly led to better breechloading systems and to the development first of rimfire and then of centerfire cartridges. It has punched on one side of barrel 17.2, on the other side punched JC, EL ,pinfire symbol, K and crown on its top, E LG little crown under them in oval.Please help me to get the closest identification for this nice firearm. Thanks for any help you can offer.Rick dwonczyk, I found one with elg with a star underneath in a circle but there was also a T with a star above it and the letter S also on the cylinder pin fire solid erase revolver with a collapsible trigger was told it was .31, Hi, Rick. Hammers cock and function properly. Belgian Liege gunmakers Are also discussed the many markings found applied on the guns and their Judging by the comments that appeared when I Googled "spesco corporation," your guess is on target. He was registered with the Liege Proof House from 1896 to 1947. Generally, but not always, Belgian made guns will have a bit lower value ("ELG" proofmark indicates a Belgian made gun. 13. Thanks! OldGuns Newsletter . Action works properly. Moore & Co. on both sides. 1891 - present 16 Barrel weight in grams of nitro proofed shotguns. Introduced for handguns in 1894, rifles over 8mm in 1897. Double proof as prescribed by the French law of 1810. 1, Six-Round, Double-Action Pinfire Revolver. Project Upland. Damascus barrels are 31". Receiver, trigger guard, hammers and side locks are engraved with a floral motif. + 10-14% by piezoelectric transducer measurement. << /Length 5 0 R /Filter /FlateDecode >> Stock has a repaired crack at wrist. On barrels of breechloading shotguns after final black powder proof. The Browning website features a page where you can search for your firearm's serial number or click on the model to locate the serial number. Belgian Liege gunmakers (G to K) - Volume 3 The text is written in French AND English. That includes Belgium since making guns are big business there. Very little: I'm assuming it isn't a muzzleloader but a breechloader, which means it could be as early as 1860-1865, say. so that means it is for sure a 12 gauge? I live in Tennessee and would love help on identifying this gun down to the year and place made. The 12C in the diamond is the nominal bore diameter - again 12g - but in French - 'calibre 12'. They differ tremendously in style and shape, and the advice given above by 4575wcf is good. The 'z' most likely is an inspector's mark indicating satisfactory quality for this part: in this case, a revolver cylinder--that's my best guess, anyway. Markings on gun barrels and other gun components that indicate the level of pressure, calibre and standards that a weapon is fit for in service.. Original butt plate is very good, no chips or cracks. After this, the firearm is examined to make sure it is still intact and if so, the metal (usually the barrel) is stamped with . Most double shotguns represented here. Debouxthay was a gunmaker in Liege, Belgium, active at least from 1888-1904. Sorry! Underlever and side plates are engraved with a floral motif. M Mecar (4 P) Pages in category "Firearm manufacturers of Belgium" gunmakers treated in this first volume are : Albini BraendlinAncion & C Berleur Michel Charlier Ch. The mark was seldom requested, Chamber dimensions in millimeters shotguns undergoing smokeless proof. It has a gold trigger and serial number starts with an x. I'm very curious as to why there is an "FN" above the serial #. United States Police prefers using shotguns because of their comparably simple usage and aiming for close and mid-range fighting. (Thanks to my friend Daryl Hallquist!) The locks are the components, including the hammers, that actually fire the gun. I have not fired it. Bernard Ernest It's an old Belgian made SXS 12 gauge, marked "Lancaster Arms Co." From doing a little research on the proof marks, I think it was made sometime just pre-WWI. Share to Facebook. Savage was founded in 1894 by Arthur Savage in New York after years of tinkering with lever-action rifle designs. All written content, illustrations, and photography are unique to this website (unless where indicated) and not for reuse/reproduction in any form. English sidelock with hammers by Manton. have a great day! Colot The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Its weight Beau, I need help finding out more about this pistol.. leg in a circle star over the k in 3 places and a crown over jj and the name j. Cueruy and NR under the grip. The frontend remains original. Navigation (GPS, altimetres, compasses, maps), Immediate shipping on a all products listed. Beuret Frres Order this book online and pay it through I can't help you with the ID of the gun but there countless European gun makers, many of them Belgium, around the late 1800's early 1900's. They range in quality from very good to . Good overall condition. Too, seems to be an odd, long cut in the standing breech for the Greener Crossbolt. Locksare marked "Mortimer". Antique 10 ga Belgium made percussion Shot gun **Free Shipping no CC Fees** Engraved with gold inlay. Forearm has a chip. Damascus barrels are 30". Double Barrel Shotgun. significance or purpose. Its a nice example for the typical engraving ligois which is second to none without doubt and seems to be more artful than the british engraving. Colt Model 1839. Bodson N. . I need help identifying the maker of this old double barrel side-level shotgun that is evidently made in belgium. Coquilhat Aim Small arms currently in service by national army. Share to Reddit. Damascus barrels are 29". 3 into Europe is unknown. This is a rare 20 gauge August Lebeau double barrel shotgun, side locks, extractors, factory 2 3/4 inch chambers, ordered and shipped in 1912 to Russia. Comblain Good overall condition. Both come in the then very popular caliber 16. So I'd guess it was made in the late 1800's. Counet-Leboulle J. The blue is rough but the action works. carefully bound by threads. "The Best Damn Gunshop in the World" The words are French: "canons" meaning gun barrels, "acier," steel, and "garanti" meaning guaranteed or warranted: "Barrels warranted steel. Damascus barrels are 29". Collard Henri - Roux Jacques I'm not familiar with the proof mark you describe, although a French one exists of AR with a three-pronged crown above, used for smokeless powder proof (but no M). The Bead. Quite old. CONTENTS INCLUDE Just let us know if you are disappointed. One of the better known makers of Belgian Guns during the "Golden Age" of Lige was Jules Bury, arquebusier in Lige passage Lemonnier, 11. You can tell an unaltered pin-fire by the vertical slot in the breech extending to the top of the barrel (and, of course, the absence of a firing pin). 1890. A quality English manufacturer. SN:66436. JavaScript is disabled. Variant of the one above, used for some month in 1894 and sometimes later on Not for ball, indicates that the barrel has choke. Good overall condition. Metal has a brown patina. %PDF-1.3 Bouquin Ad The other side of the coin is that quality can indeed be there in Belgian guns: The Belgian Browning Superposed were all fine guns, whilefirms like Francotte, Dumoulin, or Lebeau-Courallycould make guns of very high quality indeed. Christophe & Montigny Consignment Sale Information. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, Brandon, but I've been out of the country w/o internet access. No maker's name at all. Belgian Pinfire. Colard Louis - Counet Lonard Manufactured in the 1860's. Colt Model 1848 (Baby Dragoon) Five-Shot Percussion . If you could find the time to give me a clue what exactly this gun is I would greatly appreciate it.Thanks,John. For now, the year of introduction of E.C. Shotguns became popular after the U.S. Army used them during the First World War while close-range fighting in trenches. Shouldn't be hard to find! Have had this gun in family for as far as i remember at least 40 years. As the old saying has it, "The buyer needs a thousand eyes; the seller, only one." Would that appear at this location on the piece?What Im attempting to do, is get this pistol appraised; thus the research to discover all the markings. The "Military Factory" name and MilitaryFactory.com logo are registered U.S. trademarks protected by all applicable domestic and international intellectual property laws. **DISCLAIMER** Do not use modern high pressure ammo in damascus barrels. . The slot for the pin had to be welded up and a firing pin installed.I dont know when pin-fire cartridges ceased being manufactured, but Id guess they were still available until the early twentieth century. 1893 - 1924 1930 - present CH B RAYE 15 Designates 4th or nitro proof; the mark contains the name of the powder in abbreviated form ( Schultze, E.C.) Britte Frres Sidelock double with hammers. Midway USA sells a CO2 kit to unload both flint and percussion guns.Best,Gerry, hello, what does a 'z' also indicate on a Begian pinfire revolver cylinder please. Hi, Jeremy. Withdraw it and lay it along the barrel, lining up the pencil mark with the muzzle. Gauge: 10 gauge. Bovy Thodore Joseph Our inventory of antique shotguns is made up of shotguns manufactured before 1899, including English, French, and Belgian shotguns. Category: Boxlocks. Audio Books & Poetry; Computers, Technology and Science; Music, Arts & Culture; News & Public Affairs; . Some older foreign manufactured firearms, such as pistols . It's very old but I'd like to know more about it. Can you send me some, Ed? Any ideas as to date range? A number of book by Dr. James Whisker and various co-authors list Amercian makers by specific region. 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