They're very loyal to what the handler which makes them very dangerous to everyone else. Peter Biello: Ok weird question but do they make good pets. You treat it as if it's a sincere situation. Right. Patrick Tate: Exactly I was gonna bring that up juvenile male of. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all. This is not the same as saying that there has never been a mountain lion seen in New Hampshire. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. brings a lot of. A lot of times. And those are not the same things. 19 From involving members in projects as local as cleaning up an area park or as far-reaching as bringing sight to the world's blind, Lions clubs have always . Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. Peter Biello: They make great mascots at least. Pat do they typically just move around a lot. So what those ranges. Caller: Yeah I hadn't experienced blastoff fall so this was around September and I was driving from Webster into Concord on Horse Hill Road and anybody in the area would know I was right near the Red Barn and all of a sudden this animal jumps out of the woods and it bounded across the road in about two two giant leaps and stopped in the field just on the other side. That's too big for Bobcat. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. So I just brought up the bobcat thing because the location is fascinating to me that that that location we have Bobcats existing but that location we have a mountain lion report because it's a developed area and which brings me back to earlier what I had said it's a bouncing ball. Yes. Every other Friday on Morning Edition NHPRs Sam Evans-Brown tracks down answers to questions about the environment and outdoors for our listeners in a segment we call Ask Sam.. Want to report a Mountain Lion sighting in New Hampshire? Peter Biello: Rick I believe you did mention that that they do leave carcasses up in the tree from time to time but are there any other species known in New Hampshire to do this on a regular basis. 50 feet above the most. And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. Love hearing these stories. They just end up in these places. Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. Give today. So it is possible to see male Mountain lions roam into the northeast - there was one hit by a car in CT a number of years back - but we don't have a breeding population of Mountain lions in New England. And here we're talking about in this situation we're talking about it migrated from the West. Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. And they were using all the habitat. And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. Part II. I mean they're a survivor. So so. Fish and Game then deny the evidence. Mountain Lions in NH. And why would they what. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. And the cougar embodies that. Thanks for taking my call. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. Thanks for your call. Id like to hazard the explanation that we really, really want to see a mountain lion. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. Patrick Tate: Yes. Sandy Hodskins, owner of West Meadow Farm in Bradford, New Hampshire, took time from shoveling Wednesday to enjoy the snow with her horse, West Wind. That's pretty elaborate. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. Rick van de Poll: Absolutely. It traveled all the way from from you know Minnesota to New York without being so seen Patrick take. I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. And it was you know 10 or 12 people saw it all at once. Peter Biello: Nice to be here. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. It was not a bobcat. He said matter of fact I do. Almost all species disperse greater distances than females. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Why are there so many false positives? Sort of dropped onto the SD card of a camera he'd set up out in the wild. Since 1917, Lions clubs have offered people the opportunity to give something back to their communities. Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. Rick your thoughts. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. So we're fixated on natural but there's other possibilities. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction 3,207 views Jul 31, 2019 78 Dislike Share Save New Hampshire Fish and Wildlife 634 subscribers During my thirty-one career at the New. Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests. Right. Sam. The Eastern mountain lion is extinct in the eastern United States and Canada, but in 2011, a . Peter Biello: Today on the program Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist and far better project leader Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in which is about the natural world and how we use it. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. Can we go to the site. The Connecticut Mountain Lion is the best documented wild Mountain Lion in New England. I've had a number of people call up and say I found a scout in the woods and I want it DNA identified. "Of those three to five reports,. Current conditions in New Hampshire would support a mountain lion, according to Tate, as forests have returned, allowing for prey species to become more prevalent. So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. Peter Biello: I did mention four feet nose to tail would be kind of small for a mountain lion. Chartered: 1973 . We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. So take care of this problem. Or years or so. So. So let's let's go to the phones. Peter Biello: Ok. Verifiable pictures recorded by the observing person or a trail camera. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. Yeah I did. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. Reports without physical evidence are not dismissed, however Fish and Game cannot verify a sighting report without physical evidence. Does not test random Scouts. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. Thank you. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. Is there something particularly hospitable about New Hampshire Forests that make them want to come here. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HD PR fine Peter Biello and today we're talking with folks who can tell us about the mysterious elusive mountain line and whether or not it is actually here in New Hampshire. That's next time on one day. Tell us your story. Tim Yeah. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. So Pat you field a lot of calls about people seeing or reportedly seeing mountain lions. However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax. Caller: So I've been telling this story for five years or so and very few people believe me. Today, their range stretches from the Yukon Territory in Canada along the western coast of the United States, all the way to the Southern Andes in Chile. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. For all the men out there that don't realize it. So you want identifiable backgrounds. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. So they're scary. You need a permit to have that. Infinite Scroll Enabled. Lions Clubs Int'l Links: LionNet NH Links 2011 -2012 . We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. People go through great lengths to create hoaxes like this. Peter Biello: Well I want to ask Patrick about one of these stories a few years ago you had a story about someone who claimed to. Email exchange it an HP fraud org or give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. Here it is. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. I'm Peter Biello. Peter Biello: The number is 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. I just want to tell you a story that I read. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. Nicholas Handy can be reached at 924-7172 ext. I tracked cats and all the western states. They don't know the direction they're going. NHFG Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate identifies this cat as a bobcat. and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. We actually have the largest subspecies of bobcat in the northern part of our state which they can get up to 40 and over 40 pounds which looks like an 80 pound the animal to visually and quite large. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. They create these scrapes where theyre communicating with each other with scent. We send out DNA samples to the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station. Mike thanks for your call. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting By Elysia Rodriguez Published August 11, 2015 A southern New Hampshire neighborhood believes a mountain lion is roaming the woods near their homes. Mountain lion or cat running across. We'd love to have you in the queue. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. So. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. Caller: I got home to my wife that a gene that you should have seen the cat. It's good to talk to you. Somewhere the way they travel the things they do they're going to leave evidence. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. Through DNA they approximate area in the United States or North America where I was born. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. Share. GAP MOUNTAIN LIONS CLUB Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire (USA) District 44-N . And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. Want to put this to to Patrick Tate who may have heard some some info or info from listeners like you about these these these cats. Rick van de Poll: Well a report that you know as John Harrigan up north has in co-ops County for about 15 years I kept track of reports and people would call me and tell me where they saw the mountain lion they thought they saw it and it varied right from you know downtown villages all the way to remote highlands of the North Country and and everywhere in between. To date, the Department has not received any verifiable evidence (photographic or DNA)of mountain lions existing in New Hampshire. Anyways after three weeks I finally found the image on line on a field and stream photo contest and the explanation in the end was the person that set the camera out with another individual and they believed that someone who knew of the camera location saw the similarities put the can't picture on their SD card so it looked like that camera recorded the image that is. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. Patrick Tate: So it's interesting it's brought up. So I want to start the program with a comment from someone who is not in the studio with us today. Think you've seen a mountain lion? I think that you probably are. Can you look into this picture. However, as far as I can tell theres no Deep State Conspiracy to cover up a breeding population of cougars in the Granite State. But Absence of Evidence Is Not Evidence of Absence, Right? Caller: Oh yeah. Patrick Tate: I've had hunters hang deer carcasses forbidding wildlife entries. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. 1957. The states never denied mountain lions are here, and theyve never admitted mountain lions are here. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. Long before NASA was asked to put a man on the moon one engineer had already figured out how to get there. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. Women control our lives. Patrick Tate: Same here in New Hampshire too. Theres tracks everywhere. But no proof was offered. But but I've also seen it cited the opposite way that look they're very secretive. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. New Hampshire Public Radio | How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. Updated: 9:53 AM EST Dec 6, 2016. Patrick Tate: Yeah yeah. You need you need either a really good photograph or you need you know fresh scat that can be sent to a lab out West that can they can be identified there. It's not an emerging endangered species no work no there are there are populations in specific states so the Florida panther is is an endangered species that sub population is in fact listed under the Endangered Species Act. Numerous scat and fur specimens have been turned in as part of mountain lion report investigations; DNA identification has shown these submitted samples to be from domestic dog, coyote, bobcat andraccoon. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. Fish and Wildlife Service decided all of the cougars, pumas, and mountain lions in the country are actually the same species, and that species hasnt had a breeding population anywhere near the Northeast for at least 70 years. There's no attraction. But my experience was that the majority of these accounts could not be taken lightly. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. Many people in New Hampshire have claimed to have seen mountain lions. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. There was a lot of DNA evidence. The western mountain lion lives in a more of a grassland open area now so to blend in with a very lighted situation here in the Northeast we are very shadowy dark situation because of the forest and our cats wear a darker brownish reddish color than what they were and they were also smaller than what the western mountain lion is. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! Reviewing the evidence, the U.S. NH Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate reports that so far, mountain lion reports accompanied byphotographs have been misidentified bobcats or housecats, or pictures of mountain lions taken from the Internet and reported as being recorded in New Hampshire. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. You've got you've got biologists right who are trying to make their make their way in the world make a career if you are the biologists who confirmed a sighting of mountain lions in the state that would be very good for you like you would be all over the news.
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