They hate this stuff because opponents can use it. We can live without them much better than they can live with out us. Compare. Obviously Springfield and others have not learned this lesson and are going down the same road. So an opportunity to block others selling in Illinois seemed like a quick and dirty way to make a few more bucks. Perhaps a company thought they could pull a fast one and nobody would notice. Robert, and we, the honest and dedicated advocates of the 2A and gun owners stand by TTAG in this. I am sure you do not mean Nissan or Beretta both of which picked up and moved to Tennessee for their headquarters (as well as many other companies). Colona, IL (May 2020) Rock River Arms, one of the industry leaders in AR-platform firearms, expands its line of defensive semi-autos with the introduction of the RRAGE 10.5-inch pistol. (Im a 30 yr Vet). The original company lives on today under the name Winche ster. had I known earlier, I might have bought a few more colt revolvers..god I wish Id known. Even cosmetologists and lawyers. Yes I am planning on moving. WebSo What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? No other IL manufacturers donated, not Armalite, not DSA, nada. Cant beat that! Do you rednecks and white trash go out of your way to get the their wrong every single time? Illinois cant shut down a business that way No there is no way around it, RRA and Springfield decided their Illinois customers where not worth the trouble. Springfield Armory *deserves* to be pitchforked and torched. How does what a lobbying group receives from a company 3 years ago translate to what the lobbying group does in the present? That being said, even if we do, Springfield is done as a company. FREE SHIPPING on orders over $90! And no one calls or emails the company that is one of the largest contributor the IFMA group. I bought a RRA rifle back in 2012. Their entire C Suite should resign and they need to prove themselves. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. So I have to ask. Find gray, black, tan, alpine and other finishes on these .223 Rem / 5.56mm, .450 Bushmaster or 6.8 SPC chambered rifles. And Im not giving them up, to anybody, under any circumstances. If you dont support Ruger you dont support American ideals. Such a thing exists. Both companies are stalwart defenders of 2A rights and arent in the habit of heavily funding Bloomberg puppet, anti gun politicians, as has been discovered of both SA and RRA. Not a nice odor. Were pulling out of IFMA and regret that this happened. Many companies make mistakes, sometimes huge. If RRA really didnt know about this, then their next steps should be to cancel their membership in IFMA, denounce the lobying they did, and maybe start looking to move. I have to say this really makes me mad. Until I see some evidence that they knew of and/or supported this I will not rush to blame RRA for what a trade industry group that they happen to fund did. Whats more, Larsonseems genuinely appalled by what happened. Weve been busting our asses to support our friends and punish our enemies. I see only three plausible reasons: 1) Greed millions are never enough. Are they doing town halls? Welp. Post interesting results everywhere. Katrina gun confiscation showed us what any civil conflict will have as the belligerents, LEOs / Feds posing as LEOs giving you a hard choice.and a few Bundy-style standoffs. Springfield, on the other hand, has gone silent. With support like that, who needs Everytown? Lower Half, A2 Stock Just From $410. I just bought a DDM4V11 in January at an unheard of, low price of $1369. Asit should. Magpul moved to WY. If signed into law, the bill his lobbyist declined to oppose will drive many dealers out of business with its onerous and expensive restrictions and requirements. Its like saying Saturn is really, really big, and huge, too! Rock River Arms is an American manufacturer of firearms that was founded in 1996. What would you have done differently if you ran SA or RRA with a workforce that is similarly trapped in soviet Illinois and depends on your company staying open and profitable to keep their jobs? If it is a 16" it is 5.56, which the Entry Tactical is. WebRock River Arms Two Stage Match Trigger Kit4.5-5 lbThe RRA match AR trigger kit is designed for AR-15 and AR-10 Mil-Spec lower receivers with .154 trigger and hammer pins. Advertise their treachery. I think a hit to Springfield sales should get them leaning on the IFMA (who should be facing a hit to subscribers) enough for the IFMA to not fold in the future. IF WE LOSE RRA BECAUSE OF THIS HYSTERICAL REACTION, thats a blow to liberty. I checked my order history. Nice deal on it until 4 July as well. Theyve come to the heart of flyover country because they know their anti-2A dogwont hunt back in Washington. With an MSRP of $860, it is a capable rifle at great price point. How is he still employed? cant hornor us people gun rights I say F THEM ALL. I was just about to order another springfield xdm .45. Wrong. Seems like a stand up guy to me. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). We feel that IFMAs integrity is compromised and we will not be a part of the organization. We will support our Illinois brethren and NOT purchase anything from Springfield Armory or RRA. WebCoyote Carbine Upper Half LAR-15M .300 AAC. Sure, the majority will be DOA, but blue and swing states will see this get passed using this an example of good gun control that even firearms companies support. Ive never had better customer service with any other business. All have been accurate and reliable. Just to be clear, they are using the name of the original company of Springfield, but they are not located in the city of Springfield. Never bought anything Springfield Armory, never will! In fact, I own a Springfield M1A Scout Squad that they gave me free of charge after I encountered a series of malfunctions with an old SAR8. This rifle also has an RRA TRO-XL extended free float rail handguard and an accuracy of 3/4 MOA at 100 Yards. Dennis Reeses statement to TTAGon IFMAs deal was insulting. Any combination of buying or selling that exceeds 9 is a crime if youre not a dealer. Audits of the players, including the lobbyist and relevant politicians, and FOIAs or something for pending investigations against all the same could prove enlightening. No, they stood by and let their customers get screwed. Lots of work. theyre NOT trapped in Illinois,they can relocate,same as other gun companies have done. Layoffs to follow. That is sooo repetitious! thats the one ive just stopped considering. I think that if gun owners boycotted every company into oblivion that had to compromise at some point there wouldnt be any gun manufacturers around. The .308-caliber LAR-8 is plenty of gun for big-game hunting. Thankfully, we still have two more chances to stop this travesty of a bill. Ive heard of them canceling orders. In short, this means rifle-makers need to adapt, and one company taking that step is Rock River Arms (RRA) with its LAR-15 Operator III in 5.56mm NATO. Divide & conquer. Do they somehow know the licensing scheme is going to be corrupt or extremely expensive? Rock River Arms is one of the largest manufacturers of AR-15 rifles in the United States. If you apply more than 9 make-ups in a year, you are in cosmetology businesses. And their ammo prices were astronomical. Of course lobbyists have the highest ethical standards, so thats just crazy talk. Taurus? Sure enough, the bill passed theSenate by a single vote. A corrupt Illinois politician. Fuck them for gouging desperate buyers. Its real easy for you people to bash a company when you dont own shit. Nothing unethical about this practice. Rock River Arms (RRA) has introduced a new AR-style rifle to its lineup, designed specifically with the modern hunter in mind, with the new All Terrain Hunter (ATH). Reese is a business guy, not a gun guy, as this video demonstrates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkfjwStDUUQ, At 1:02 hes pointing the XD at the host (which Leathem mentions, ?). For those who missed it, we broke the story late Thursday evening. I was just about to purchase a 1911 with the deal Springfield is running this week. Rock River Arms had one seat. I would start negotiating with one of those for manufacturing space and move my entire operation to a gun-friendly climate. But do they double down on their error (Target) or put things into place that not only fix the error but make them new and better than ever. Going the other direction nobody would move. After the event I hadnt seen a shipping notification. They are actively editing social media but refuse to address the issue. Rock River LAR-8 .308. Specifications and Features: Rock River Arms AR-15 Magazine AR0116N30 .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO 30 Round Capacity Anti-Tilt Follower Proven Reliability Wow, the article on Reese is incredible. Illinois gun owners should pack up and move across the Mississippi to Missouri. How many Illinois politicians wind up going to jail? Youre welcome to come visit and help during the next election cycle. Thanks Springfield. The more concentrated the producers and sellers of firearms becomes the easier it will be to controlled and monitored. However, the R-51 is a bear to clean and still hasnt proven itself totally for CC, coming off its well documented ill fated Gen 1 launch and Remingtons continued reliability issues. Most places, its still over $1500. But I wont EVER support a company who actively supports an infringement of any kind. That doesnt change whats actually been proven that was three years ago. Might want to rethink Ruger as well. Olympic Arms continued this legacy with its OA-93, OA-96 and OA-98 models. Everyone (hopefully) recognizes that Bloomberg et al use bad legislation in NY and elsewhere as models to sell to politicians elsewhere, hence the need to use all available legal avenues to demonstrate the fallout from such actions. Every damn one of you bad asses crying I wont buy from them again would have done the same thing. Id say they are a step above most other production 1911s. Springfield could have fought thisor vocally opposed it on its way to potential passage. As far as the betrayal, bear in mind that it was the act of a couple of people and unfortunately there are plenty of freedom loving 2nd Amendment supporters working for SA that will be harmed by their bad judgement. Make it a campaign issue NOW. How is it that they even survived to change in the first place? Apparently, John Smith isnt an advocate of the constitution or specifically the second amendment. CMMG .300 blackout will become my next purchase. Magpul moved. The Springfields looked to be a good value. I cant imagine the CEOs of those two companies werent in the loop on these negotiations. Boom. Your opinion and yourre entitled to it and welcome to voice it here, though it seems you prefer that others not voice theirs if they disagree with you. I imagine that there will be a few FFLs leaving IL. If CTD notices panic buying, shuts down their site and reprices everything, thats their right. County fairs? And if stooges like you thought this could be run under the table without anyone noticing, well, guess you should be mindful of your business in the next few quarters. Those bastards. Bill may not have been perfect (who is), but his passion for firearms was solid and he was known as Americas Gunmaker, for good reasons. If people werent buying at these prices than there would be no market. The news of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms selling Illinois gun dealers and gun owners down the river continues to spread among The People of The Gun. We feel that IFMAs All evidence to the contrary? The bills author was Dianne Feinstein (D-CA). (This is in response to Mark). They did what they had to do to stay profitable just like companies in Kalifornia and NewYork and liberal bastions.. Now they will pay the price. Your arguments are supercilious and embarrassingly logic free. Is there a list somewhere? This new model is the latest in the growing line of rifles and pistols based on the RRAGE platform. I dont have anything from either of the turncoat manufacturers and based on their actions, I never will. The company makes a wide variety of weapons, including AR-15 and M16 rifles, as well as pistols, shotguns, and bolt-action rifles. I think they and Illinois deserve each other and I hope they both end up on the wrong end of history. What opinion? You would answer your own question if you noticed my opening remark: Ruger was making superior quality products using totally American resources. No lobbyist will take a position without their clients approval, because THE CLIENT PAYS THE LOBBYISTS SALARY. Rock River's LAR-458 is the top pick for hunters because of its value, excellent trigger and superb accuracy. Pick something and follow it. And now a sell out. I cannot in good conscience support in any way a company that would pull this kind of stunt. Another dealer told me he wished Springfield well. Now for 2022, the company ups the game for hunters with the introduction of the All-Terrain Hunter (ATH) , a mid-length rifle that stands tall in the field of AR-platform hunting rifles. They MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. Good for them, too. If youre looking begin your 3-Gun or short-stage PRS competition endeavors, the Rock River Arms RRAGE 2G may be your ticket. This is income tax refund time. Several other really good CCs out there too if you want one of the big mfgs. I have been casually looking at getting a 1911. I buy and shoot a lot of guns, and this includes SA models, but I have put them on notice that I will never buy another unless they make this right. Other places have them for $200.00. But it will be history at my house. Good luck! Springfield makes decent guns but there are others out there. They did what they had to do to stay profitable just like companies in Kalifornia and NewYork and liberal bastions. Which would help with elimination if in the future. LAR 8 is a nice weapon. Whats the hangup for SA? If I was a competitor, Id print up ten thousand flyers announcing Springfields decision and carpet the show with them. Theres no way to know for sure. I hope they go out of business and leave the dishonesty to our opponents. Thank you for bringing this issue to the forefront. The NRA would likely throw you and your fliers in the dumpster. IMO, this last election postponed the literal civil war Ive been advocating for for over 10 years. Pretty small and isolated country town. If these dam gun man. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). Bullshit. Springfield for intention; RRA for negligence. If only there was a place to run-and-gun in or near NWI. An xdm9 and a 1911 loaded. I would say that Ruger has done more to support the 2A than all other companies combined. Did SA forget that this isnt 1988 anymore and that the internet exists? Theyve earned back the support of 2A advocates, imo. Dont need it, but I kinda like it. How many model airplanes can I buy, sell or trade in one year? Its a freakin disaster. Not to mention that when S&W colluded with Clinton they were owned by the British engineering firm Tomkins. Now Springfield will learn the hard way. I thought it was great that they were living in the same liberal hell hole that I was living in. Glock and S&W sell their guns to states like NY, NJ, HI that trample our 2A rights every day but I dont see you bashing them and Ill bet most of you own a Glock or a S&W. The XD and Saint are good guns, but they really arent all that different from a lot of other good guns on the market. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved.. Id like to see Springfield make a correction here but it might be too late for that. Peoplr lose jobs, get divorced, buy better guns and so on. Glad I waited. Anyone who tries will come out worse for the experience. Great comment, but I dont think it is enough. I had the EMP4 Contour and a TRP on my 2017 list. job creation they call it (bribery is such a dirty word). After Ruger (finally) gets all of its new products launched they will have just about all the bases covered. First, they co-opt the name of a famous military armory to start a business with absolutely no ties to the original Springfield. But I struggle with the NEVER AGAIN WILL I EVER SUPPORT THIS COMPANY. Bill Ruger was key in the implementing of the 94 AWB, refusing to sell evil 20+ round magazines to anyone but .gov entities? More interesting question: can Springfield even attempt to disavow at this point? when supply cant meet demand, then the price increases.. this draws more suppliers into the market to meet demand and you see the price decrease. Weve even got a state-centric message board/forum promoting gun rights. I wanted one with the threaded barrel and suppressor sights. Some would disagree. You shouldve made that decision because it is a piece of garbage, not because of this hysterical article. Simply offering ideas and encouragement. Now Im off to call Cabelas and inform them of SAs treachery and why i will not buy from them as long as they carry SA product, http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/search.cmd?recordsPerPage=18&No=0&N=0&nl=true&Ntk=AllProducts&Ntt=Springfield+Armory&search=Search. So Rock River spent at least $50.000 fund the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. Had a Springfield 1911 that I sold late last year to fund another purchase and was thinking of replacing it with a TRP at some point guess this gives me all the excuses I needed to spend a few hundred more for a Dan Wesson or an STI. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved. If theres something worse than a fanboy, its a fanboy fudd. Two companies provide the bulk of the funding for IFMA:Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms. When Colorado banned high cap magazines magpul moved to Texas. They seemed like a freedom loving company that supported the right for people to do what they had rights to do. The lobbyist for the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA), Jay Keller,traded that groups opposition to the bill in exchange for a carve-out, removing PrairieState firearms manufacturers from the licensing requirements. Weve got three very active groups on the ground in Illinois promoting GOTV campaigns and spreading the word. Probably go back to looking at CZ and Walther offerings. Well, now. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28141995/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/illinois-has-long-legacy-public-corruption/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convicted_of_crimes. An EMP 4 WAS the next scheduled buy.. not anymore, never again. They are a leader in the firearms field with a vast array of products that work correctly. Sorry for the spelling error. However, too many judges seem to rule on what they think should be fine, instead of the law. Or how much it was going to take to replace them? Why does Ruger all of the sudden get a pass on treachery? AR Parts. Thankfully, many of the downstate Dems are staunchly pro-gun. Bill Ruger retired from the company in 2000 and died in 2002. Could be paperweights. If youre looking for a good, dependable AR at a reasonable price, I dont think you Its GENESEO and its still about 3 hours from Chicago. With all the gun control in northern Illinois how the hell can they screw all of us like this! (3) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Tactical CAR A4 223 Remington/5.56 NATO Carbine $ 684.99. Along with lost new sales, this boneheaded move will kill resale values. The dimensions and leade of the .223 Remington minimum C.I.P. Thats not fighting to protect gun owners. 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